Boom Like That

August 29, 2012 § 5 Comments

I’ve suggested that the action of jumping on a grenade may not be an intrinsically immoral action – a literally suicidal action – because it requires the cooperative actions of others in order to achieve suicide.   One thing we know for sure is that when it is someone else’s behaviour, it isn’t the object of your act.

Some have expressed skepticism.  I offer the following video clip to illustrate the fact that grenade-jumping is a composite action requiring the cooperation of multiple independent actions of different people in order to be a killing behaviour:

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§ 5 Responses to Boom Like That

  • Scott W. says:

    I’m suprised the anti-deontologists haven’t ratcheted up the drama with a real case: People choosing to jump from the World Trade Center rather than perish in the flames.

  • slumlord says:

    Your grenade was a dud.

    Still I’m glad you cleared this up for me.

    Quote Zippy;

    One thing we know for sure is that when it is someone else’s behaviour, it isn’t the object of your act.

    and from the post, Some Arguments ought to throw themselves on a Grenade.

    A kamikaze pilot, on the other hand, is himself choosing an objectively self-killing behaviour.

    So I guess these American Kamikazes committed objective evil.

    Case 1 and Case 2.

    After all they deliberately did what they did.

    May they rest in God’s eternal Glory.

  • Hard to say exactly what they did, not having been in the cockpit with them. They didn’t shoot antiaircraft guns at their own planes, that much is sure.

    But yes, suicide is always morally wrong. And no, no matter how far and wide you search for putatively transitive cases, that doesn’t grant you a license to murder the innocent.

  • slumlord says:

    Hang on, we’re not talking about his intentions we’re talking about his acts.

    Deliberately flying a plane into the ground is going to foreseeably result in a pilots death. Is this act of flying into the ground/physical object morally wrong?

  • Both, actually. Either a wrong intention or a wrong object (chosen behaviour) can render an act immoral.

    In general, not every act of flying a plane into the ground is immoral. We haven’t left any up there yet.

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